Comments on: Young Men’s Conference http://ofreport.com/2010/02/young-mens-conference/ Wed, 09 Nov 2011 04:00:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Joshua Steele http://ofreport.com/2010/02/young-mens-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-598 Joshua Steele Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:37:11 +0000 http://www.ofreport.com/?p=922#comment-598 Perhaps not, but in this case they were being used to illustrate the idea that believers are soldiers for Christ. (II Tim. 2:3-4) No soldier is complete without a weapon. Tactical firearms are simply the modern version of the sword, to which the Bible is compared. (Heb 4:12) No, we are not teaching that Christians are to run around shooting people. This was a simple illustration of the fact that God compares the Bible to a lethal weapon (the sword) the purpose of which is to reveal the "thoughts and intents of the heart." Perhaps not, but in this case they were being used to illustrate the idea that believers are soldiers for Christ. (II Tim. 2:3-4) No soldier is complete without a weapon. Tactical firearms are simply the modern version of the sword, to which the Bible is compared. (Heb 4:12) No, we are not teaching that Christians are to run around shooting people. This was a simple illustration of the fact that God compares the Bible to a lethal weapon (the sword) the purpose of which is to reveal the “thoughts and intents of the heart.”

]]> By: David http://ofreport.com/2010/02/young-mens-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-597 David Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:28:06 +0000 http://www.ofreport.com/?p=922#comment-597 Is the firearms demonstration normal at church conferences? Is the firearms demonstration normal at church conferences?

]]> By: Joshua Steele http://ofreport.com/2010/02/young-mens-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-596 Joshua Steele Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:51:49 +0000 http://www.ofreport.com/?p=922#comment-596 I was aware of your web site and your views before you posted this comment. I am also aware of various stories of abusive parents who complain, “Mike Pearl made me do it.” Their sin and their lack of responsibility does not in any way undermine the legitimacy of No Greater Joy’s position on child training. To twist and misuse good teaching is the fault of the hearer, not the teacher. I have lived in Ukraine for 9 years. I read, write, and speak the language fluently. I know personally many Ukrainians who are using techniques they've learned from No Greater Joy, and to great effect. Their children are happy, well behaved and the envy of the other parents around them. I have known Michael Pearl personally since I was 12 years old. I know every one of his married children personally. None of them are abused, and none of Mike's teachings promote abuse of any kind. Again, anyone may pervert what Mike says and then use him as a scapegoat upon which to blame their own abusive behavior, but that is possible with any teacher. Much is said about the fact that the Pearls endorse the use of the rod in child training. This is not only legal but biblical. The use of the rod, though essential, is actually only a small part of the overall training of a child. And I would add that if you reject the Pearls because you disagree with the concept of spanking children, you are not opposing the Pearls but the Bible. Scripture teaches very clearly that the rod is be used to chasten a child: not to beat him into submission, as some claim, but to teach wisdom. This is not an original idea from Michael and Debi Pearl. This is God's plan laid out clearly in the Bible. I support the Pearls fully, not because I like their style per se, and not because they have supported me financially as you imply in another of your comments, but because they are loyal to the Scriptures. I offer my voice in chorus with thousands of others in saying that I praise God for the Pearls and for their stand for Biblical child training. I was aware of your web site and your views before you posted this comment. I am also aware of various stories of abusive parents who complain, “Mike Pearl made me do it.” Their sin and their lack of responsibility does not in any way undermine the legitimacy of No Greater Joy’s position on child training. To twist and misuse good teaching is the fault of the hearer, not the teacher.

I have lived in Ukraine for 9 years. I read, write, and speak the language fluently. I know personally many Ukrainians who are using techniques they’ve learned from No Greater Joy, and to great effect. Their children are happy, well behaved and the envy of the other parents around them.

I have known Michael Pearl personally since I was 12 years old. I know every one of his married children personally. None of them are abused, and none of Mike’s teachings promote abuse of any kind. Again, anyone may pervert what Mike says and then use him as a scapegoat upon which to blame their own abusive behavior, but that is possible with any teacher.

Much is said about the fact that the Pearls endorse the use of the rod in child training. This is not only legal but biblical. The use of the rod, though essential, is actually only a small part of the overall training of a child. And I would add that if you reject the Pearls because you disagree with the concept of spanking children, you are not opposing the Pearls but the Bible. Scripture teaches very clearly that the rod is be used to chasten a child: not to beat him into submission, as some claim, but to teach wisdom. This is not an original idea from Michael and Debi Pearl. This is God’s plan laid out clearly in the Bible.

I support the Pearls fully, not because I like their style per se, and not because they have supported me financially as you imply in another of your comments, but because they are loyal to the Scriptures. I offer my voice in chorus with thousands of others in saying that I praise God for the Pearls and for their stand for Biblical child training.

]]> By: TulipGirl http://ofreport.com/2010/02/young-mens-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-595 TulipGirl Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:46:09 +0000 http://www.ofreport.com/?p=922#comment-595 Though, I understand that it may be hard to reconsider that support of their teachings, as NGJ ministries provides generous financial support for your mission work in Ukraine. Still, please. . . prayerfully. . . consider. . . Though, I understand that it may be hard to reconsider that support of their teachings, as NGJ ministries provides generous financial support for your mission work in Ukraine.

Still, please. . . prayerfully. . . consider. . .

]]> By: TulipGirl http://ofreport.com/2010/02/young-mens-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-593 TulipGirl Mon, 15 Feb 2010 05:01:13 +0000 http://www.ofreport.com/?p=922#comment-593 We have also lived and worked in Ukraine. I strongly urge you to NOT utilize the family materials from No Greater Joy in Ukraine. To do so would be foolhardy and inviting abuse. Please, prayerfully consider this request and do your research. I suggest starting here: http://www.tulipgirl.com/index.php/2005/10/pearls-po-russki http://www.tulipgirl.com/index.php/2010/02/heartbroken-angry-ngj-pearl-deat/ May God bless you and your family, and give you grace and wisdom. Grace and hope, TG We have also lived and worked in Ukraine. I strongly urge you to NOT utilize the family materials from No Greater Joy in Ukraine. To do so would be foolhardy and inviting abuse. Please, prayerfully consider this request and do your research.

I suggest starting here:
http://www.tulipgirl.com/index.php/2005/10/pearls-po-russki
http://www.tulipgirl.com/index.php/2010/02/heartbroken-angry-ngj-pearl-deat/

May God bless you and your family, and give you grace and wisdom.

Grace and hope,
TG

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